tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post2281012572325923253..comments2024-02-25T14:08:42.814-05:00Comments on Just One Point Of View [justonepov.com]: My Ford Escape Hybrid Brake Repair Experience - The Brakes Broke the Bank!Kenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11519831519646337908noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-57668919957179861252013-03-04T20:09:06.114-05:002013-03-04T20:09:06.114-05:00I own a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid, and I too have ha...I own a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid, and I too have had problems. Not with the regenerative brakes, but with the keyless entry. 2 months before the warranty expired, the module failed, and would no longer unlock the driver door. It would lock all the doors, and unlock the passenger, plus rear doors and hatch, but not the driver door.<br />FORD wanted me to leave the vehicle, and would not provide a loaner, nor a ride home, which was impossible,as I needed it to get to work. I told them they could have it as long as they wanted once I was on holidays, as I wouldn't need it. They said sure, but by that time the car was out of warranty, and they said there was nothing they could, or would do. So I am stuck with a car that I have to manually unlock with a key every time. I did return the favour mind you, but not buying another Ford, and instead bought a Chevy Volt, and the expierence in driving that car, and the whole customer satisfaction experience is beyond belief. When that single car battery caught fire 3 weeks after a crash test for example. Even though the NHTSA did not order a recall, as it was a rare occurance that occurred several days after a crash, GM voluntarily modified the battery cage on all the cars, gave me a brand new car to drive while they had it. Unbelievable service. I too was a Ford man for several years, but now the General has my business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-87035451303103472222013-03-03T15:26:23.863-05:002013-03-03T15:26:23.863-05:00I own a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid. I have noticed th...I own a 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid. I have noticed the efficiency of my breaks is wearing off. As the time pass by I have to hit the breaks harder and harder.<br />So far I didn't have any total brake failure,but now, after reading all this comments, I'm very concerned about SAFETY.<br />I find myself wondering if it isn't related to a fault regenerative brakes system. Should I now expect a total brake failure any soon?? <br />Am I illegible to file a class action lawsuit? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02197948986610491338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-89583764308818900162012-10-18T19:13:11.471-04:002012-10-18T19:13:11.471-04:00In January 2012, six days after purchasing a used ...In January 2012, six days after purchasing a used Ford Escape Hybrid from a dealer, my father lost brakes while driving in town. The abs light came on and the brakes had to be pushed to the floor. He drove the vehicle back to the dealer with me following him. The dealer explained to us they did not have the proper equiptment or knowledgable Ford technichians since they are not a Ford dealer. They told us they would have to send the vehicle to a local Ford dealer. The repair involved replacing the entire hybrid system. The next times the abs light went on while either my father or myself was driving we would apply the brakes to make sure we still had proper use of them. The repair seemed to have worked for a while. We decided not to take the vehicle back to the dealer to be looked at since the light would never stay on and the brakes seemed to be in working order. Also, we did not want to be without the vehicle for the lengthy period of time we experienced during the hybrid replacement. The next time the vehicle lost brakes was September 5, 2012. This time the traction control light and the abs light came on. Our dealer sent us to the local Ford dealer and they wanted nothing to do with helping us with the repair cost in order for us to have a safe vehicle to drive. We took the Ford back to our original dealer who ended up installing a new axle. I was shocked that I had to buy an axle. It was something to do with the tone ring being broken and not giving a reading to the speed sensor. The next time the vehicle lost brakes was on September 26, 2012. This time the brakes went completely to the floor and my father had no brakes at all. We had the dealer tow in the vehicle this time. The service shop told us they cleared the codes and could not get the vehicle to reproduce the problem. They sent us home, but not before I got something in writing saying the vehicle was operating as intended at this time. The next day, my father lost brakes while driving to work. Again, we had the vehicle towed to our dealer. We were completely done with the vehicle at that point, but also had to find a way out of the vehicle. The dealer printed a copy of this blog and gave it to my father. They told us our situation was not their problem, but they would trade us into a different vehicle. Financially, we ended up with a large amount of negative equity and larger bills. Mentally, we ended up stressed and frustrated that this vehicle is still on the roads and that Ford still has not done anything to correct their vehicle's serious problem(s).<br /><br />I have been speaking to a local law firm and they need me to find at least six more people besides myself willing to file a class action lawsuit. Is anyone interested? This is our opportunity to inform the public about this vehicle and get the braking systems fixed on the Ford Escape Hybrids before a known death occurs due to its faulty braking system.Jennifer Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-86855992205269420892012-10-01T20:20:42.960-04:002012-10-01T20:20:42.960-04:00Hi Ken, thank you so much for the very informative...Hi Ken, thank you so much for the very informative posts. I purchased a new 2006 4x4 FEH Limited in 2005. I simply love the car (and all the options), but am weary of the brake issues. The tone ring broke at around 30K so the dealer graciously replaced it at no charge. Since then I’ve had numerous “service brake system”, “ABS”, red brake light and “service 4x4”. The dealership replaced some ground wires which temporarily got rid of the light errors. Now I’m at the point of A) try the ABS module-$700 and if that doesn’t work go to B) replace the HCU/Master Brake thingy- $2800. The car now has 130K miles, and I’m simply not in a position to sink $4k into such a high mileage vehicle. I’ve gone a whopping 2 weeks without a service light, but the brakes still grab every now and then. Nothing as serious as the issues reported here regarding use of the emergency brake and such, but the brakes do feel squishy and at times the petal depresses pretty far. I’ve add new brakes and suspension so the “mechanical” brake system is not at all at question. <br />It’s funny as I recall a car review in the Washington Post a few years ago regarding the then 2008 or so (can’t remember the year), but the thing that stood out was Ford returning to drum brakes. They specifically questioned why you would revert from all disc to a partial disc/drum setup- well now we know perhaps Ford was flirting with trying to fix their flub . I haven’t had a chance to research, but needless to say, it appears they returned to using all disc. [Does this mean the newer models are not prone to the HCU issues?]<br />Like you, I live in NoVa and have taken advantage of the HOV excemptions. I’m guessing we may have another year or two tops till they revoke it. I was hoping my car would make it those extra years but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I’ve decided to bite the bullet and am picking up a used Ford Certified 2008 with 71K miles. At least I’ll have another 12 month warranty. I really appreciate the detailed info and complaint links you have provided. Collectively maybe we can make a difference. I have paid dearly for this car and had it religiously serviced only to end up having to ditch it (ps- I’m trading it in as I could not consciously pass this on to potential buyer). Thanks again Ken..<br /><br />-B<br />-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16292142683455399815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-2388462786620353592012-09-30T18:05:13.126-04:002012-09-30T18:05:13.126-04:00vous me faites peur je viens d acheter un escape h...vous me faites peur je viens d acheter un escape hybride de 2005 en france , il est deja en panne a cause de surchauffe moteur electrique !!!!! quand je roulais sur l autoroute. le vehicule s est mit en arret maintenance et le moteur c est arreté brusquement a 110 km/h. j ai attendu 1h avant de repartir et ca as recommencé plusieurs fois. maintenant il est chez le mecannicien et je n ai plus confiance en cette voiture.<br />je pense qu elle est dangeureuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-59910356195468757922012-09-30T08:48:12.035-04:002012-09-30T08:48:12.035-04:00sorry cool...but when you completely lose all powe...sorry cool...but when you completely lose all power assist to brakes and abs function , it's not just a "software issue"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986524048704775319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-52169935259039452552012-09-17T19:16:50.841-04:002012-09-17T19:16:50.841-04:00Wow I was just looking at a 2005 FEH and was doing...Wow I was just looking at a 2005 FEH and was doing some research. Glad I found this blog. if the dealer can't tell me with 100% certainty that this was fixed on this car, I will not be buying it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-52281148915244103392012-08-17T14:08:49.095-04:002012-08-17T14:08:49.095-04:00From Vancouver BC and it just happened to me last ...From Vancouver BC and it just happened to me last night on my 2006 For Escape Hybrid - I feel penalized for being an early adopter of the technology. I have driven the vehicle so gently since I have had it and had all services done on time at Ford - there is no logical explanation for a failure of this magnitude. It has to be a manufacturing/design flaw - I was feeling quite upset until I googled and saw this posting - thanks for the detail - at least I am not alone!!!JessieAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-51316473479650660322012-06-28T13:47:52.516-04:002012-06-28T13:47:52.516-04:00I am just experiencing this same issue with my 200...I am just experiencing this same issue with my 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid. After being told by the dealership that they could replace the master cylinder for $1300 and that would not guarentee a fix. That many times, they would have to replace the HCU for another $4000 to fix it, I decided to just pick up my vehicle and go without the repair. My understanding is that the braking system would revert to a fail safe braking system, if the regenerative system fails. I guess I will have to put the pedal to the floor to stop my vehicle in the future.Brian Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09304871823084039866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-41929355103259976482012-06-17T10:58:26.547-04:002012-06-17T10:58:26.547-04:00Thank you for sharing your concerns and for the pr...Thank you for sharing your concerns and for the professional and insightful article. Your experience and those experiences posted on MyCarStats.com have assisted my decision to purchase a hybrid SUV. More, the experiences with Ford Motor customer service and support have helped me to rationalize the short list of manufacturers. Quality is not always Job One, and it takes the shared experiences of individuals and communities to highlight this... but how do we change attitudes before lives are put in jeaparody?macxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06040773566650230423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-31525927010615531802012-06-01T00:15:19.564-04:002012-06-01T00:15:19.564-04:00Anonymous (05/30/2012) - Based on complaints filed...Anonymous (05/30/2012) - Based on complaints filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ("NHTSA"), the problem does not appear to be limited just to the 2005 model. Newer Escape / Mariner Hybrids seem to have had similar issues.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519831519646337908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-88057295397726195092012-05-30T15:03:50.380-04:002012-05-30T15:03:50.380-04:00Any updates on this problem for newer Hybrid Escap...Any updates on this problem for newer Hybrid Escapes? We have a 2009 which seems to have the same problem!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-82167652777561941162012-02-10T09:51:57.515-05:002012-02-10T09:51:57.515-05:00Howard (02/10/2012) - See our blog post here [http...Howard (02/10/2012) - See our blog post here [http://blog.yagelski.com/2011/07/ford-escape-hybrid-tone-ring-repair-yet.html] about how to perform a tone ring repair on the Ford Escape Hybrid.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519831519646337908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-755307478348809012012-02-10T05:57:45.903-05:002012-02-10T05:57:45.903-05:00Howard here, with an update. I found out that my p...Howard here, with an update. I found out that my problem wasn't so severe. Turns out there is a ring on the axel just inside the wheel. This ring looks like a gear. The ABS sensor uses this ring to determine whether or not the wheel is turning. On my FEH, this ring had broken loose from the axel and was spinning freely. I cleaned the ring and the axel of rust and debris and expoyed the ring back in place. My problem has virtually disappeared! And I didn't have to spend $5000! Yay! The only time I get an indication of any problem is when I slow down for a stop sign or light. The aforementioned ring is still missing one tooth (where it broke free) and occasionall this causes the sensor to hiccup. But it's infrequent and I'm used to it. If you have this issue, you might have Ford check out the rings to see if they have broken free and are spinning on the axel like mine was! They will probably charge you through the nose to fix it, but I'm sure it won't be as much as a hydrolic accumulator, $5k!Howard Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14783050397280827831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-57501536345120338682012-02-09T17:00:59.040-05:002012-02-09T17:00:59.040-05:00I have a 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid and I was having ...I have a 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid and I was having similar problems. About 2 weeks ago the ABS and brake light illuminated on dash but brakes still worked, just not like they were supposed to in ABS mode. I took it to local ford dealership mechanic yesterday and this morning he called me with the bad news. I knew it was going to be bad news when the first thing he asked me "was I sitting down"? He said the ABS Hydraulic Control Unit module had to be changed out and that part was $3100. There is no way I am spending that much money on a small part when I could almost buy a new engine for that amount. My plans are to sell the vehile ASAP and lick my wounds. What's sad is besides that it has been a trouble-free vehicle. It has almost 100,000 miles on it. This is what feared me the most out of a hybrid, the money you save on gas is spent on hybrid related mechanical problems such as this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-8085353435061926762011-12-08T23:13:03.728-05:002011-12-08T23:13:03.728-05:00Anonymous - Whenever you unlock or open the door, ...Anonymous - Whenever you unlock or open the door, or switch-on the ignition key, the HCU module tests the brakes by pressurizing the hydraulic system. Four minutes after the key is switched off, the HCU discharges the pressurized fluid back into the master cylinder reservoir. Listen for the hum of the hydraulic pump if you have never noticed before.<br /><br />Apparently, in the case of your Mariner Hybrid, the failing HCU doesn't just hum... it rattles! I have not heard of this before your comment, and have no idea how long the HCU will last before failure.<br /><br />Sorry for your misfortune.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519831519646337908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-67885966535713613052011-12-08T13:58:55.132-05:002011-12-08T13:58:55.132-05:00My wife and I bought a used 2006 MMH last spring. ...My wife and I bought a used 2006 MMH last spring. After noticing that there was a loud rattle coming from under the hood every time we opened a door (car parked and off), I took it to the dealership. They said that the HCU was malfunctioning and that it would eventually stop working= loss of regenerative braking and loss of ABS. Loss of regenerative braking would render the hybrid system useless. Quoted $4,600 to repair. Has anyone else experienced this rattling as if the ABS were being activated? Any idea how long we have until brakes (as designed to work) fail?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-57938838674937243592011-12-08T04:33:51.532-05:002011-12-08T04:33:51.532-05:00Owning a car is not as easy as a car salesman woul...Owning a car is not as easy as a car salesman would have you think. I hate to be the one that has to tell this fact to many of those that have posted here. I've had 5 or 6 Fords, and don't have much good to say about their "Service writers". Some good Explorers, some good mechanics, a good FEH, but Ford HQ needs to dump their "service" management system completely. Unfortunately, you cannot trust or believe anything that those guys in the "Service" department that aren't the actual mechanics tell you. They are paid to:<br /> #1- generate department income, <br />#2- talk, <br />#3- act like they care, <br />#4- have you think they know what they're talking about. <br />They work by shifts and have NO specialties, and may not confer with another "writer" and a mechanic or 2 to be sure that they really understand the problem and address it properly. Unfortunately, if you've got an Escape Hybrid( or MMH or Mazda), YOU have to <br />#1 - immediately document ANY percieved problem very thoroughly; time, date, fuel level, road conditions, weather conditions, traffic conditions, your vehicle movements, any / all instrument readings and indicators<br />#2 - continue to thoroughly document your vehicle operation after the problem, until you get it to the service facility.<br />#3 - go online and find groups and blogs like this and find other instances of your SPECIFIC problem, and corrective measures taken that proved to be proper and effective.<br />#4 - INSIST that the "service writer" note your observations and suggestions (based on your research) and give them to the mechanic that works on the vehicle.<br />#5 - INSIST to speak to the mechanic that will perform the repairs (install the replacement parts) before the work is done if there is any doubt about what may be the problem. <br />#6 - get the name of that mechanic and keep it along with the reciepts for that service. If all goes well, use him again next time you have the vehicle serviced.<br /><br />Please use this blog or EscapeCity, or GreenHybrid to help others by informing them of your experiences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-27572759038063941132011-12-08T02:14:03.134-05:002011-12-08T02:14:03.134-05:00Just had the drivers side brake line on our 05 cra...Just had the drivers side brake line on our 05 crack and spew fluid. Only 55,000 miles on it. I have a 1995 Chrysler with 139,000 miles that has no problems whatsoever with brake lines. and a 1994 Honda with 150,000miles and never had problem one. <br />Something is really wrong here. Looks like i'm dumping the escape before I have a problem with the HCU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-68831573594495415472011-11-23T20:10:38.963-05:002011-11-23T20:10:38.963-05:00I was planning to buy a secondhand Ford Escape Hyb...I was planning to buy a secondhand Ford Escape Hybrid 2006 model but based on what I read I'll have second thoughts about buying. I'm glad I read your article and researched before buying.perth airport long term parkinghttp://www.skypark.com.au/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-29259211169128972332011-11-19T19:50:46.537-05:002011-11-19T19:50:46.537-05:00Anonymous - The failed HCU component is specific t...Anonymous - The failed HCU component is specific to the regenerative braking system used with the Escape and Mariner hybrid vehicles. It cannot affect a vehicle with a traditional braking system.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11519831519646337908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-59142582934294443382011-11-19T19:31:56.062-05:002011-11-19T19:31:56.062-05:00IS THIS ONLY HAPPENING WITH THE HYBRIDS?
I WAS PLA...IS THIS ONLY HAPPENING WITH THE HYBRIDS?<br />I WAS PLANNING ON PURCHASING A 2012 FORD ESCAPE IN THE SPRING, BUT NOT A HYBRID, JUST A 4 CYLINDER FORD ESCAPE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-84786704363101777252011-09-09T22:19:32.114-04:002011-09-09T22:19:32.114-04:00I am having the same problem with my 2006 model. I...I am having the same problem with my 2006 model. I was driving and the abs light came on and I started skidding over the road. I nearly hit a van! The abs control module cost 3,125.99 There has to be something I and we can do?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-14212054143602381962011-07-29T12:25:54.915-04:002011-07-29T12:25:54.915-04:00Having the same problem on our 2006 FEH with 101k ...Having the same problem on our 2006 FEH with 101k miles. It started with a couple of incidents of "Service Brake System", but the brakes still functioned. I could tell they were not quite right, but the car still stopped ok. Took it to the dealer, who of course recommended the master cylinder and HCU for the bargain price of $5000. I am going to replace just the master cyl and see if that solves it. I got the car back from them and have ordered a master cylinder from an online parts dealer.<br />5M6Z-2140-B was $500 online vs $900 from the dealer. Installation was $700 from this dealer vs $400 from a dealer 1 town over, so I'll take the part and have the other dealer install. Then we'll see what happens.<br />While I'm waiting for the part, I have continued to drive the car. Despite the lights, the brakes have always functioned...until last night. It had 2 incidents of no-braking-power; fortunately while I was in a mostly empty parking lot. I rebooted the car a couple of times and it was fine on the drive home. Drove in Low with my hand on the e-brake.<br /><br />I like the car, but I don't think I can keep a vehicle that needs to be rebooted... <br /><br />I was holding on to the FEH until ford released the plug-in cmax. Now I'm not so sure about that. If only someone besides VW would bring over some nice diesels!Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1413221578516620291.post-16671560906690126862011-07-20T13:34:33.677-04:002011-07-20T13:34:33.677-04:00Experienced the same problem on our 05 FEH.
Two li...Experienced the same problem on our 05 FEH.<br />Two lights on, severe brake grabbing problem. Dealer estimates $5200 to fix with vehicle down for a week. Module needs replacement. In my opinion a design flaw, only 80,000 km on clock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com